In the last few years, we’ve seen a lot of sub $1,000 watches. Within those watches, we’ve seen a handful of movements, various level of finishing quality, original designs, off-the-shelf designs, homages, etc… As time has gone on, what we look for in a watch has shifted away from straight “value”, by which I mean watches that seemingly offer the most expensive components in the cheapest package, to watches that offer quality of concept, design and execution, supported by quality components. So, the latter might cost more for a watch with the same movement and a sapphire, but if it’s offering more in terms of design and finishing; and in our eyes, it’s worth it.
So… When I first saw photos of the Vorque Constantine, who are a new brand out of Singapore, saw the beautiful waffle-textured dial, and read that it was powered by an ETA 2824-2… actually a gilted 2824, I anticipated a certain price. ETAs are expensive these days, a uniquely textured dial that is well executed isn’t going to be the cheapest option, sapphire, deployant buckle, etc are going to add cost too. Having seen it in person now, I can say that on top of that, the finishing (and what we have here is a sample, so it’s likely to be a bit rougher) is decent on the case, the dial is well executed with nicely shaped markers and hands, and the case itself has some elegant details. So, i figured $1,200 on the low end, perhaps $1,800 at the top.
Well.. while currently in crowd-funding mode, these watches can be had for as little as $429. That’s a crazy price, and one you shouldn’t hope to see for a 2824-2 powered watch anymore (frankly, for this watch, I think it could have cost more than that and used a Miyota 9015, but that’s a different conversation). Yet, here it is. Obviously I don’t know how or where they got the movements, if they are making any money at all, or what they plan to do in the future, but for the time being, the Vorque Constantine is a truly remarkable value, while also being an attractive watch. Let’s take a closer look.
It may just be the name – “Vorque Constantine” – but am I the only one who’s reminded of Vacheron Constantin with that dial and the blued seconds hand?
Not just you. It seems intentionally similar to VC.
It is too big for the retro style. The crown is screw down, which is strange, given only 30m water resistance. And lastly, I seriously doubt the Swiss origin of the movement. At that price point and also considering brands that used to work with ETAs are shifting to different movements, because of scarcity, I suppose the movement could be a Chinesse clone. They are quite good though, I have to admit.
OK, I have discovered that the crown is not screw down and the water resistance of 30m is completely sufficient for a dress watch. And if I am to be honest, I quite like the design. Dress watches are my favorite category and this one is unique when it comes to dial, there is nothing similar available on the market, I think.
The dial sets the tone/expectation for detail, so it ends up looking unfinished w/ plain indices. 40mm feels like it will only draw attention to how plain it is. The resistance rating is good, but why no screw down crown?
My biggest complaint is for a microbrand, I want a watch to look interesting to non-watch fans. That’s the fun in buying one of these little-known products. The makers are supposed to demonstrate a little courage and flair. Sadly, from a distance this will look like any ‘ole watch from Nodstrom’s or Macy’s.
And as usual, I hate “give me startup money” projects, especially when there’s nothing distinctive going on. As I mentioned about another watch earlier in the week, I seriously doubt this watch keeps any of its value if the owner tries to resell it. Wear it 3-4 times, and try to get more than $150 on eBay..I’d be surprised and impressed. This fundme projects are starting to feel like welfare for middle-class dreamers. I know, I know, if I don’t like it, don’t support them…sigh.
OK, it is really getting annoying with all this reselling values and investments. Is it what loving watches is all about. Not for me, thank you. I never resell a watch. I have something very personal with any of my watches. I have dreamed about it, waited for the moment to get it, loved it. And I also don’t think “investment” is relevant to an amount of $500.
One of the easiest ways to determine if a watch is worth is value is to consider what its resale value might be. We do it when we buy cars, houses, boats, guns, etc. Only items meant to be used until they break, like appliances make the exception. $500 is real money in most of the world, regardless of your income. If I pay $500 for something it should be worth at least half that on resale market within first 2 years. I’d go so far as to say, no one would buy this watch preowned, not even on a watch forum.
Obviously you speak about yourself, but you use WE. WE is not ME.
So don’t buy one… Just because you base your decisions on (your own) perceived resale value, doesn’t mean most other people do so when buying what is widely considered an inexpensive watch (<$1000 is generally considered inexpensive/affordable for a watch). And for what it's worth, I (and this is just my own, personal opinion here) would STRONGLY consider buying one of these used for $210…
1) How often do you see screw-down crown on dressy watches? Even major brands don’t usually have it, despite, maybe, Omega AquaTerra. So 30M/100ft WR rating is VERY solid for such kind of watches. Total splash protection and who will dive in this watch?
2) No, it doesn’t look like cheap fashion quartz-watch. Closest comparison regarding the looks and 2824 auto movement will be something like classy models of Frederique Constant / EDOX / Claude Bernard / Tissot Le Locle, and all of them cost more.
3) Resale value at this price point? You must be joking? It not Rolex range. I bought Longines HydroConquest for 400$, which is 30% of its initial price, and that happens to almost all watches in this range: Tissot, Raymond Weil, Seiko – any.
Good point on the Seiko. Their 6r15 automatic movement in watches in this price range run at 3hz. As for this watch it appears to be well finished with a nice looking dial. The 2824-2 is no doubt standard grade, but this is a nice price for this movement outside the Swatch group.
I agree – it’s a very attractive package at this price – or even at a higher price. The only gripe I have is there’s something cheesy in the name (as another comment noted it’s almost as though it’s playing off the Vacheron name) and the font looks amateurish.
Great to see Worn &Wound mentioned in the New York Times Men’s Style section today. Congratulations, guys!
I am not surprised that an indie watch company in Singapore executed a design with such balanced elegance and everyday wearability (based on photos). That country is watch-crazy, and they can afford the good stuff.