The Seagull 1963 is one of the more intriguing watches to come out, or rather be re-released, in a little while. It got a lot of attention from watch forums and fashion blogs because, simply, it’s a great looking and affordable watch with authentic vintage styling that refers to non-Swiss watch-making history. Sure, if you are a watch-nerd, you are probably aware of the Seagull brand as a major manufacturer of movements and watches (including tourbillons), but you also most likely don’t own one. The movement in your watch probably comes from ETA, Ronda, Miyota or Seiko (yes, making big generalizations, but wait for the point). Yet, Seagull, or Tianjin Seagull, is one of the 4 (sometimes said 3) largest watch manufacturers currently in business. But, in the US at least, you wont find Seagull brand at your local jewelry shop, in big department stores or at most on-line retailers; at least, not in the open.
There are bargain brands, like Android, Stuhrling and Aeromatic 1912, as well as “homage” brands that use Seagull mechanical movements, because they are more affordable and accessible than their Swiss counterparts, but rarely will you see true Seagull brand watches around. Whether this is due to the stigma of Chinese manufacturing being cheap and unreliable, traditionalism in watch manufacturing that says “if it ain’t Swiss, it ain’t good”, a lack of brand awareness or poor product positioning (or a combination therein) is hard to say without a lot of market research…We all know how valuable “Swiss Made” is for a watch brand and that “made is China” doesn’t always inspire confidence. But, I also think that they have made some very weird choices with the watch selections they put forth on their US and EU sites. For watches that are comparatively inexpensive, they seem to be largely styled to compete in the luxury market. So, the fact that the Seagull 1963, as an affordable and sexy watch, has made waves, should serve as lesson to the brand about how the bring a watch to the US market.
VERY cool, lotsa watch for the $$.
I would love one of these, but I worry about the reliability of the movement. I’ve heard that there are many quality issues with Seagull movements. You can luck out and get a great one, or you can get a lemon. It’s all a matter of luck! But that can also be said for Japanese and Swiss movements, especially with some of the very top end Swiss luxury brands. If you want ultra reliability, you can’t go wrong with a high end Seiko mechanical. In a perfect world, the 1963 would have a Seiko movement, and if they sourced some of the screws from the Jura mountain area, they’d probably be able to say “Swiss Made!”
I recently managed to purchase one of these gems online. The watch arrived a week later from halfway around the world. Mighty pleased with it and it sure gets a lot of attention. I put on a red leather strap which rather add character to it’s red army identity. It’s the watch to have and to keep. Hopefully, it’ll last me a long time.
Bought one of these beauties recently. But I am trying find a decent Nato or Zulu strap to replace the standard strap, could W&W advise where I could find a 17mm (as it seems 18mm is too big for this watch?) Nato or Zulu strap for this Seagull 1963? Appreciate it:)
Your worries are largely unwarranted. Buy with confidence. The Chinese watch industry – as opposed to the counterfeit industry – is not at the levels of the Swiss yet but neither are they far behind:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/how-do-seagull-hangzhou-compare-eta-depth-look-216945.html
A mate of mine has just bought one and tested it at +4 s/d average; a lot better than the +30 I predicted.
Thanks for linking that forum post, it is genuinely fascinating and very informative. This is a topic I think we’ll look into deeper for the site as it pertains so strongly to affordable watches and the watch world post ETA ebauche
The 1963 has a bigger brother now.
Where did you guys source the green NATO strap?
The pattern of the material is distinctively different from most I’ve seen.
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I rotated from my Omega Speedmaster 3570.50 today to my 1963 Chinese Airforce CCBack. A nice progression. Only thing I warn about is water egress. There is basically, no protection. A beautiful watch, that, mostly, (I’ve had many) keep surprisingly good time, for the price. I must add, tonight, I could not find one for sale on the usual second hand outlets, or, with a quick search, none to be seen anywhere for sale. That may say something..
I am the highest bidder on one at the moment on eBay . I have been in love with this piece since I fist saw it a couple of years ago , fingers crossed .
I just started to seriously consider getting one of these. After spending $3k+ on an Omega, I had a hard time going back to lower-end pieces, but considering value for money, this seems to tick a lot of boxes. Great review!